{"id":414,"date":"2010-01-10T04:51:03","date_gmt":"2010-01-10T11:51:03","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/vinsuprynowicz.com\/?p=414"},"modified":"2010-01-08T20:13:59","modified_gmt":"2010-01-09T03:13:59","slug":"handcuffed-disarmed-for-obeying-the-law","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/vinsuprynowicz.com\/?p=414","title":{"rendered":"Handcuffed, disarmed for obeying the law"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Charlie Mitchener is a 61-year-old general building contractor with an office near Patrick Lane and Fort Apache in Las Vegas. He holds permits allowing him to legally carry concealed weapons in Nevada, Florida, and Utah. <\/p>\n<p>Over the past three years, his office has been broken into five times. \u201cThree of those occasions involved me interacting with Metro,\u201d he wrote to me last week. \u201cEach of the occasions began the same: my introduction, my presentation of my Nevada drivers license and my Concealed Firearms Permit. Prior to today, each Metro officer simply replied thank you, proceeded with his work and then when complete there was a conversation about firearms.\u201d <\/p>\n<p>Things were real different at 5:30 a.m. Sunday morning Jan 3, however, when Mr. Mitchener called the Metropolitan Police Department to report the fifth break-in at his office. <\/p>\n<p>\u201cVin, I hope I did not see the future this morning,\u201d Charlie e-mailed me. \u201cToday was drastically different.\u201d <\/p>\n<p>The responding officer was a lady cop, Officer J. Rogers, badge number 13525. <\/p>\n<p>\u201cUpon presentation of my CFP, the officer asked if I had the weapon on me to which I replied yes. She then said to spread my legs and put my hands behind my back. I complied and she then handcuffed me. While doing so, she said that she wanted to make certain \u201cthat we were all safe.\u201d <\/p>\n<p>Officer Rogers stripped Mr. Mitchener of the Glock 19 he was carrying, took the weapon and locked it in her patrol car. <\/p>\n<p>\u201cBear in mind that she had yet to clear my office (she was waiting for backup for clearing),\u201d Charlie writes. \u201cSo, while remote, there was the possibility that the bad guys were still in my office and would come rushing out, finding me, to their delight, handcuffed. Apparently I was not included in her comment \u2018that we were all safe.\u2019 It is always nice when law-abiding citizens, particularly myself, are disposable. <\/p>\n<p>\u201cAn hour or so later, when she had completed her paperwork, she came back in the office; I was in the rear and did not see her enter.  She came to me and said that she had put my weapon in the second drawer on the left in the receptionist\u2019s desk. <\/p>\n<p>\u201cShe then said that she could tell that I was upset with being handcuffed \u2018like a common criminal.\u2019 I explained that I was extremely upset and told her that it was out of respect to her that I provided my CFP and that the Second Amendment did have some meaning. She replied that the reason she did what she did was because she did not know if I was a bad guy or not. &#8230; I thought to myself, \u2018How absurd, I apply by the law to obtain permits, and yell it from the housetop that I have a permit and am carrying, just as I presume all bad guys do.\u2019 <\/p>\n<p>\u201cI asked if she was following procedure to handcuff me and remove my weapon to which she did not have a good answer, other than I was larger than her. &#8230; It certainly reminded me of the stories in New Orleans after Katrina regarding confiscating weapons from the law-abiding citizens.\u201d <\/p>\n<p>Another officer told Charlie that, based on J. Rogers\u2019 badge number, she had probably only been on her own for less than six months and was probably not secure in what she was doing. \u201cIt certainly makes me want to provide all the information the next time my office is broken into,\u201d he adds. <\/p>\n<p>I talked to Charlie on Jan. 5. He had called the concealed permit division that morning, and been referred to Internal Affairs, where he reports a detective told him \u201cIt all depends on the officers, that if they think it\u2019s the safest thing to do they can do that. <\/p>\n<p>\u201cAnd he said it\u2019s best not to bring a weapon in this kind of situation.\u201d <\/p>\n<p>Ah. So after going through all the rigmarole required to obtain a concealed weapons permit, it\u2019s best if a business owner who is the first to arrive at his office in the dawn hours to find it\u2019s been broken into NOT carry a weapon? Where the hell would the cops suggest would be a BETTER circumstance into which to carry our legal self-defense weapon &#8212; a toddler\u2019s birthday party at Chuck E. Cheese? <\/p>\n<p>I contacted Metro about this incident Tuesday. Late Friday, a spokesman confirmed Mr. Mitchener\u2019s account as \u201cgenerally accurate,\u201d stating the officer \u201cacted in a way that was in the interest of her safety.\u201d <\/p>\n<p>Charlie Mitchener followed the law. He has trained at Front Site and with Tactical Response and continues to regularly visit the range. Yet \u201cIn an instant, I am in handcuffs (at 61 years old, this was a first), and there were no bad guys in handcuffs with me, just the guy who thought he was doing things correctly,\u201d he writes. <\/p>\n<p>We should not be required to apply for any \u201cpermit\u201d to carry a concealed weapon in the first place. Threatening us with arrest if we fail to go through this rigmarole certainly constitutes an \u201cinfringement\u201d of our rights under the 2nd and 14th amendments. <\/p>\n<p>As for those who contend we can only exercise this right by \u201cbelonging to a militia,\u201d a) I already belong to the militia, as defined by the founders. (\u201cWho are the militia? Are they not ourselves?\u201d asked Tenche Coxe, the friend of Madison, in 1788. \u201cThe militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves &#8230; all men capable of bearing arms,\u201d confirmed Richard Henry Lee in the same year.) But more to the point, after years of answering this memorized red herring, I\u2019ve come to the conclusion anyone who claims the \u201cmilitia clause\u201d bars or limits me or Mr. Mitchener from bearing weapons of military effectiveness is a wannabe totalitarian murdering scum, and I believe it\u2019s time to stop treating them as anything else. <\/p>\n<p>Mr. Mitchener did everything required of him by law, ordinance, and Metro instructions. The officer handcuffed and disarmed him \u201cso that everyone would be safe\u201d? What a bunch of bull. If the burglar or burglars had emerged, they would have been confronted not by two armed law-abiding good guys, but instead by one small, frightened officer and a handcuffed and disarmed legal occupant. This rendered Mr. Mitchener \u201csafer\u201d? <\/p>\n<p>Please note that if Mr. Mitchener had NOT followed law, ordinance, and Metro request, if he had carried a firearm in his waistband without ever seeking a permit or informing the officer he had it, the tiny officer would have had NO probable cause to frisk or disarm him, and he would likely have remained armed throughout the entire encounter. Thus, he was punished, degraded, and treated like a common criminal BECAUSE AND ONLY BECAUSE he attempted to follow law, ordinance, and Metro\u2019s legally dubious \u201cinstructions.\u201d <\/p>\n<p>The cops don\u2019t get it. The Constitution does not say \u201cthe right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed unless it makes an officer of the government feel safer.\u201d <\/p>\n<p>The biggest reason the American populace are armed was never to fight off bears or wild Indians but to make agents of the government feel unsafe &#8212; really, really unsafe &#8212; should they try to take away our rights. That\u2019s why a citizen militia is \u201cnecessary to the security of a FREE state.\u201d We\u2019re armed and we intend to get more armed.  We want progressive repeal of our current \u201creasonable gun laws\u201d until 14-year-old girls can buy machine guns over the counter for cash without showing any damned \u201cphoto ID.\u201d <\/p>\n<p>If these arrogant, uniformed employees of ours who believe they can make up \u201cthe law\u201d as they go along really want to treat us as the enemy, they may eventually get their wish, at which point they will discover they\u2019re vastly outnumbered, and \u201cbackup\u201d is never quite close enough to solve the problem they\u2019ve created for themselves. <\/p>\n<p>America in 2025, gals: keep at it, and it can be your own private Afghanistan. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Charlie Mitchener is a 61-year-old general building contractor with an office near Patrick Lane and Fort Apache in Las Vegas. He holds permits allowing him to legally carry concealed weapons in Nevada, Florida, and Utah. 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